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I am in Illinois and I too would like to hear from the Saint Charles station with any ideas as to why those high readings might have been seen. My outside station in South Beloit Illinois (setup just like the Saint Charles station but at different altitudes) often sees readings that match the Saint Charles Illinois station, but those high readings were never seen on my station.

Maybe the Saint Charles operator will see this post and help give us clues of what might have happened.

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Sorry, I don't monitor this daily. I have answered this post in "what up in St. Charles."

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Crap (particles) from the modification of a counter... Confirmed to be a malfunction of the motor from the filter unit in the "land of the big wind"(cobalt). STOP trying to modify things is the answer (unfortunately). The operator "didn't catch it" so anybody that can't figure the data thought that the world was over (I'm melting, melting). Actually if the operator did not take precautions he (or she) was exposed to Cobalt and other rad materials . Reads came from the magnets/brushes in the unit so these reads were "chicken little" (sky is falling) syndrome...

Trying to help...

KingCobra wrote:
I am in Illinois and I too would like to hear from the Saint Charles station with any ideas as to why those high readings might have been seen. My outside station in South Beloit Illinois (setup just like the Saint Charles station but at different altitudes) often sees readings that match the Saint Charles Illinois station, but those high readings were never seen on my station.

Maybe the Saint Charles operator will see this post and help give us clues of what might have happened.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:53 pm
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I have not heard the St. Charles station operator confirm it was caused from failure of brushes. In any case, what is needed are more people with their own units online so we can compare readings. If we had more people with stations, one stations readings wouldn't cause such concern. Until this happens, I will consider high readings a concern for my family & I.

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He wrote me and said that the fan motor failed (noisy and could not keep a constant speed) so he bought a new unit. Wind pressures over time can cause a failure like this so it makes since and cobalt will definitely cause the kinds of reads we saw.


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I have not heard the St. Charles station operator confirm it was caused from failure of brushes. In any case, what is needed are more people with their own units online so we can compare readings. If we had more people with stations, one stations readings wouldn't cause such concern. Until this happens, I will consider high readings a concern for my family & I.

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Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:29 am
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Here's a link to the operators explanation of what happened...


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EB702D3F wrote:
He wrote me and said that the fan motor failed (noisy and could not keep a constant speed) so he bought a new unit. Wind pressures over time can cause a failure like this so it makes since and cobalt will definitely cause the kinds of reads we saw.


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I have not heard the St. Charles station operator confirm it was caused from failure of brushes. In any case, what is needed are more people with their own units online so we can compare readings. If we had more people with stations, one stations readings wouldn't cause such concern. Until this happens, I will consider high readings a concern for my family & I.

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Thanks for the follow-up but having a setup like that myself, I am not sold 100% that it was the reason for the high readings...

Our only true reliable way for readings is to just have more units out there to compare with.

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I understand you are worried and someone should have already tested this (St. Charles) unit...

...under the circumstances I'd "bet the farm" that it is contaminated with cobalt from the motor.


Without proper confirmation it's just another way to deny or hype a threat.

As I'm almost sure you have figured out, I take this subject VERY seriously!

There is absolutely NO reason that anyone should suffer due to these kinds of things...


It's time to "step back a moment", take a close look at the situation(s) and research (and create) a simple to follow list of rules to handle ANY counter/filter unit that shows reads like this AND find people willing to readily (gamma spec.) test these units quickly if you plan to use them in the future...


Without testing it's all just a bedtime story waiting for someone to "hype" up or down, one way or the other, anyway they see fit. This is not science and opens the door for anyone with any agenda to use this incomplete info. to create there own perceived reality for personal gain or attention.




As any scientist worth his (or her) weight will tell you...

... The simplest explanation is usually correct.

Since we don't have ANY proper handling procedures in place for events like this, these reads can be disputed for all time. I'll tell you without reservation that these reads are NOT accurate to the environment in which they were taken, period!!! These records are FALSE reads (false for the environment but NOT for the operator handling it) due to the modification of a measuring instrument that had a subsequent mechanical failure!!!



THE FACT IS (in my humble opinion) these St. Charles, Ill. reads are the result of the "rigs" you guys are creating and without proper handling/maintenance and "backend" testing you may be doing more harm than good for the reputation of this data and your families health. And let me say (for sure) I support and we should continue to modify ANYTHING that can help us locate these materials better.

MAJOR problems...

Has anyone taken ANY real readings from the old unit?



Truths in science: "you don't have to believe it's true for it to be truth".


If I place a counter next to a cheap indoor filter unit and then place it outside in the elements (under a eve, in a plastic bag or whatever) and it contains a radioactive source, eventually it will show up in the reads as the source is "chopped" into small particles and released into the environment. AND, by the way, this is normal operation for these electric motors. Sooner or later if it can happen, it will happen, as this material will escape due to normal wear, malfunction and/or poor manufacture/maintenance/location. This causes a release that would not have otherwise occurred and exposes the operator and anyone living with him/her to radiation. Part of the problem with these ideas.

Then we can all sit around and wonder if the world is ending due to a simple malfunction or we can take the proper steps to know for sure!!!

Is the world really ending? If you mishandle ANY contaminated unit you may be right, it may just be ending for you... Think about concentrating polluted dust and breathing or eating it for a moment. When you change the filter how do you stop the contaminates from entering your lungs or the family food chain? You may be right to think the world is ending, though it would only really be ending for you and possibly some other family members living in your home and/or onsite with the filter unit.


Truly, if you think it's a problem you should "throw away the entire unit at filter change time" as the materials would kill you, and how much are the lives of you and yours worth? Considerably more that the cost of any ($50) filter unit!

Could it be the wind pressures, a bad manufacture and/or moisture or the location of the unit? Just like a car 1 in so many will fail... Out of 1000 newer cars 1 WILL fail from manufacturing or environmental conditions and Let's not forget the record of crashes caused by simple human error (totaled is totaled?).

If this indoor air filter has been outdoors in the weather for a year or more,
it was probably a good unit to withstand the elements for that long...


When something like the St. Charles malfunction occurs the operator can breathe (or swallow) the particles and take them inside on hands and/or clothing and this is VERY dangerous to the operator and the (his or her) immediate family's health. Handle a contaminated filter and go inside and you've contaminated the indoor environment with powerful radioactive materials AND MANY common pollution hazards!!!


Well, I hope you get the idea...


The moral to this story?


1) EVERYTHING works fine until it breaks or wears out!


2) There are MANY radioactive sources in our day to day environment that are not a problem unless there is a malfunction or modification resulting in a release of small particulate materials. Air filters, water filters, smoke detectors, microwave ovens, speakers, batteries, etc... And don't forget the vacuum cleaner and lawn mower!

3) Lack of knowledge is what causes most needless exposures to pollution for the average person.

4) Without testing you will never know for sure if there is a real problem in the environment or if it's just your habits/experiments.



As the old saying goes...

...It's time to nut up or shut up.

A little humor here...

...careful if you are easily offended!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwprGyncs0A


"Get 'er done!!!"



When it comes to magnets they are ALL radioactive. EVERY magnet on the planet is radioactive by virtue of the imbalance that causes attraction / repulsion.

Magnetic Cobalt in any form is extremely reactive and produces STRONG Gamma and Xray emissions. Without this imbalance reaction, the materials would not be magnetic enough and could not be used as motor components in the first place.


Any exposed magnet will cause emissions from + and the reaction from - as this is the quintessential definition of radioactivity... As the cobalt attracts the particles in the metal (and they are powerfully attractive) you won't get a personal physical reaction that will cause you harm as these materials are attracted to each other (and captured) and are mostly encased in the materials involved under normal operation.

However...

EMF emissions have been shown to be a cell damaging radiation hazard (you don't even have to breath it or eat it to damage your cells) . It is well known that to be in the path of these fields causes cell damage, but (unlike the free particles generated from nuclear waste/accidents) remains basically trapped within the materials for long periods of time.

Of course the magnets in a home air filter are small and pose little threat unless a malfunction occurs.


My large (cobalt) guitar amplifier magnets will not cause a ingestion hazard and will remain active in the environment for many years after I'm gone.




Stay safe and feel free to contact me anytime,

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Thanks for the follow-up but having a setup like that myself, I am not sold 100% that it was the reason for the high readings...

Our only true reliable way for readings is to just have more units out there to compare with.

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