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Tired of being hyped by Fukushima, I have recorded 24/7 the background radiation in my apartment (for several days). It is pretty close to 0.1 micro Sievert/Hour all the time. In one year, that would add up to maybe 0.87 milli Sievert or so per year (8,700 hours per year). No need to be accurate since normal background radiation experienced by humans is about 3 milli Sievert per year (see link below). But this 0.1 micro Sievert/Hour is inside my apartment and San Diego is not one of the 'hotter' spots on earth.

If you are curious about background radiation, including the numbers I just mentioned, the link below from NASA is fun to read and has a lot of pretty pictures (which is what attracted me of course)..

http://hps.org/documents/environmental_radiation_fact_sheet.pdf


Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:30 pm
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Tired of being hyped by Fukushima, I have recorded 24/7 the background radiation in my apartment (for several days). It is pretty close to 0.1 micro Sievert/Hour all the time. In one year, that would add up to maybe 0.87 milli Sievert or so per year (8,700 hours per year). No need to be accurate since normal background radiation experienced by humans is about 3 milli Sievert per year (see link below). But this 0.1 micro Sievert/Hour is inside my apartment and San Diego is not one of the 'hotter' spots on earth.

If you are curious about background radiation, including the numbers I just mentioned, the link below from NASA is fun to read and has a lot of pretty pictures (which is what attracted me of course)..

http://hps.org/documents/environmental_radiation_fact_sheet.pdf


WELCOME to the forum! 8-)

I do not believe Fukushima is being hyped enough. Were your readings taken with your windows open during the complete time of tests? If not, how can the beta radiation reach your detector? What type of geiger counter did you use?

I have many 24/7 geiger counter stations and one of them is outside 24/7 to detect beta radiation but also on a air purifier to increase the detection of what is in the air.

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South Beloit, Illinois - GMC200 Outside on HEPA air purifier, ground level, facing West.
http://netc.com/chart/view.php?n=1%3AEB5A139C


Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:47 pm
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Thanks for the response. Using GMC-300E. Have walked several miles up and down the street comparing readings in bushes and other places of bioaccumulation and do see very small but clear evidence of that. Levels are 40% to 50% higher than the low levels inside on average. All very low.

Since making the post have seen significant and surprising differences between the daytime and nightime Netc national radiation map readings, however. For me, this is new.

Something is changing even here since making my post . Example: An unusually strong radiation spike ocurred that was 40 CPM or so for over a minute. The Netc San Diego site also showed RADCON level 3 at the time which is also unusual for that site. Changes over time using inside readings seem to be similar to those of the Netc local site. This confirms to me that the spike was likely real. Makes me suspect that using inside readings so far look like a solid basis for seeing relative changes. Levels are still low, but that rate of change due to the spike could be life threatening if it kept up even for a short time. There is your point about the need for hype.

The potential of Fukushima is real. No hype there obviously. It is important for me to follow the real developments as a means of developing confidence in the data so I can act on it with conviction. It was really troubling to read over time about the "west coast being fried" by Fukushima and see these low readings which were generally moving with the Netc map readings and therefore seemed real.

Jet stream changes seem to alter the radiation picture pretty quick. Maybe other things do that as well. This maybe contributes to Before its News "end of the world" radiation assessments that change before the reader gets to his equipment to confirm!

I am learning slowly as is usual. This is, after all life and death stuff we are talking about here. The Fukushima potential is so bad I don't want to talk about it because most people simply aren't able to grasp what is possible. Nature is also complex and subtle to the extent that we mere humans have a poor record of predicting radiation effects. Bikini atoll was full of surprises for many people.

Thanks again for all that you do, I joined because I have been seeing things in the EPA data that really bother me and need a site like this that is obviously honest and without an agenda.


Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:32 pm
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I believe the recent Coast to Coast special on Fukushima is where I heard Arnie Gunderson (nuclear expert) talk about an outside air filtering system with geiger counter setup to sample air at the same rate as our breathing. The results recorded 10 hot radioactive particles taken in each day. Only one of those hot particles is needed to cause cancer in the body.

I believe it is always worse than what we know, only time will tell.

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http://netc.com/chart/view.php?n=1%3AEB5A139C


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Thank you, GoldOriented for you comments. We, at Netc.com will always stay true to our beliefs of the mission to report radiation as it increases over time.
Harlan, Netc.com


Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:34 pm
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Some "experts" say there is no safe level of radiation and others seem to say every "new" level is safe. In fact previous "safe" levels have been raised since Fukushima happened. :shock:

The BIG question is, do you trust that these new "safe" levels are really safe for you & your family?

History of nuclear accidents have shows that many lies are told in an attempt to keep the public calm and of course save money for the corporations. As a result, many people are exposed to more radiation than they would have been if told about it as soon as possible and directed to at least evacuate that area for a short time. This is why everyone needs to own at least one geiger counter. Most of this radiation contamination is not going away in our lifetime and longer.

Different state agencies openly admitted the fallout we received in the U.S. but again, you decide what is "safe" levels. Here is a good question... if the levels are so safe, why do they never seem to tell us what those levels are? What are the readings/measurements that they recorded?

http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=1&RecNum=9304

Illinois.gov wrote:
The State of Illinois News page provides access to the Illinois Government News Network and all state press releases.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 30, 2011

IEMA Detects Radioactive Material from Japanese Reactor in Air, Grass Samples
Minute levels pose no risk to Illinois residents

SPRINGFIELD – Minute levels of radioactive materials believed to be related to the troubled Fukushima nuclear power reactors in Japan have been detected by the Illinois Emergency Management Agency (IEMA). Radioactive iodine was found in grass clippings collected in Will County and in an air sample collected at IEMA’s radiochemistry lab in Springfield.

“These findings are not surprising since traces of iodine have been identified in at least 15 other states,” said IEMA Director Jonathon Monken. “These levels are very low and present no hazard to people in Illinois. We will continue to track the deposition of radiation in Illinois to ensure there is no impact on public health and safety.”

The grass clippings were collected by members of IEMA’s Radiological Assessment Field Team (RAFT) last week as part of the team’s role in a drill of the emergency plan for the Dresden Nuclear Power Plant.

In addition, IEMA took air samples outside the agency’s lab in Springfield. Both samples were analyzed in the agency’s lab. The iodine detected in the samples is 200,000 times lower than the regulatory limit for effluent from nuclear power plants.

IEMA maintains an environmental monitoring program for several sites around Illinois where radioactive releases could occur, including the six operating nuclear power plants, the closed nuclear power plant at Zion, a closed low-level radioactive waste disposal facility near Sheffield and the uranium hexafluoride plant near Metropolis. The program includes periodic collection of samples of air, water, vegetation, milk and fish.

Monken said IEMA has enhanced this monitoring program to detect and quantify material from the Japanese reactors. These enhancements include analyzing air, milk, egg and grass samples from around the state.

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South Beloit, Illinois - GMC200 Outside on HEPA air purifier, ground level, facing West.
http://netc.com/chart/view.php?n=1%3AEB5A139C


Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:58 pm
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Also remember that a nuclear accident is like a dirty bomb, the types and amount of radioactive material released is not controlled like it often is with normal operation releases of nuclear plants. The more I learn about all of this and how they spin the truth, it is very upsetting. :o

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South Beloit, Illinois - GMC200 Outside on HEPA air purifier, ground level, facing West.
http://netc.com/chart/view.php?n=1%3AEB5A139C


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It is very upsetting to be threatened by something like radiation that is hard to measure and evaluate much of the time. IMO Fukushima could become an enormous problem almost overnight. That's why I come here.

Since there is said to be work on relocating rods from reactor 4 right now I am especially interested in watching radiation levels.

After a few more weeks I will have eough data from my GMC-300E for me to decide whether or not there is a long term trend and how fast it is trending. The statistics don't make that possible without a lot of data.

So far, I suspect that at this location things will be OK unless some new event happens at Fuku or the data starts relentlessly trending. But that could change quickly.


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Hey, Gold Oriented, what does your detector say today- 1-5-14... NETC numbers look bad.


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